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Can’t Rev past 6.5k

Nick

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Hello.

I have an FD single turbo running about 18psi with a water injection kit and link ECU. I’m having engine breakup and can’t seem to get more than 6.5k out of it.

I’m not sure what’s happening but it was running fine very recently. Fuel pressure seems fine. I put in a new fpr and 455 fuel pump.

Took out spark plugs they were pretty fouled and had carbon deposits on them.

I’m going to replace plugs and leads next. What do plugs do you guys recommend for this setup.
 
I can't help with actual knowledge, but Gemini comes up with this. Maybe somewhere to start??

Hopefully someone with experience of similar will chime in...

Potential Causes for the Breakup​

  1. Ignition Coil Strength: Are you still on stock coils? At 18psi, the stock FD coils often struggle. Most Link ECU users upgrade to IGBT Smart Coils (like the AEM/Mercury IGN-1A). If your coils are tired, they cannot punch through 18psi + Water at high RPM.
  2. Spark Plug Gap: If you use "surface discharge" plugs (like the BUR9EQP), you can't gap them. If you move to a standard electrode plug (like the B10EGV), you must gap them down—usually to 0.020" – 0.022"—to prevent the spark from being extinguished by the boost.
  3. The "Drowned" Rotor: If your WI nozzle is too large or the pump trigger is set too low in the RPM/Boost range, the water can foul the plugs during the transition, leading to the carbon deposits you saw.
  4. Grounding: Rotaries are notoriously sensitive to electrical noise. Ensure your engine block is grounded directly to the chassis and battery with heavy-gauge wire. Bad grounds often manifest as "breakup" right when electrical load is highest (high RPM).

Next Steps​

  1. Swap the plugs: Start with a fresh set of NGK 9s or 10s.
  2. Check Lead Resistance: While replacing leads, ensure they are clicked firmly onto the coils and plugs; the FD vibration can sometimes wiggle them loose.
  3. Log the Link ECU: Do a 3rd gear pull (if safe) and look at your Battery Voltage and Trigger Errors. If voltage drops or you see trigger errors at 6k+, it's an electrical/sensor issue, not a fuel issue.
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Since you are running 18psi with water injection, upgrading to IGN-1A (Smart Coils) is the single best move you can make for ignition reliability. They are the industry standard for high-boost rotaries because they can provide a massive spark that won't "blow out."
However, because these coils are so powerful, they can actually overheat and melt if the Dwell Time is set too high in your Link ECU.

1. Recommended Dwell Settings for IGN-1A​

In your Link G4+ or G4X software, you should set up a Dwell Table based on Battery Voltage. For a high-boost 13B, use these targets:
Battery VoltageDwell Time (ms)
10V5.0 ms
12V4.5 ms
14V (Running)4.0 ms
15V3.8 ms
  • Crucial Note: Do not exceed 4.5ms of dwell on a rotary unless you are making a qualifying pass. Rotaries fire twice as often as a 4-stroke engine; at high RPM, the "duty cycle" of the coil becomes very high. Over-dwelling them will cause them to overheat and fail prematurely.

2. Wiring & Hardware Requirements​

The IGN-1A coils pull a lot of current (up to 15 amps each at peak). If you just wire them into the stock harness, you won't get the benefit and might melt wires.
  • Dedicated Grounding: Each coil has multiple grounds. The High Current Ground (Pin C) must go directly to the Engine Rotor Housing. The Signal Ground (Pin B) must go to the ECU Signal Ground.
  • Relay Power: Feed the coils directly from the battery via a dedicated 30A or 40A relay triggered by the ignition switch.
  • Leading/Trailing: Ensure your Link ECU is configured for "Wasted Spark" on Leading if you are using the stock trigger wheel, or "Direct Fire" if you have an aftermarket trigger kit (like a Full Function Engineering kit).

3. Check for "Trigger Errors"​

While you're in the Link software, look at the Runtime Values (F12) and watch the Trigger 1 Counter and Trigger Errors.
  • If the "Trigger Errors" count increases when you hit that 6.5k RPM wall, the ECU is losing track of where the eccentric shaft is.
  • This is often caused by the stock "Mag" (Reluctor) sensors picking up interference from the spark plug wires. Keeping your new leads away from the CAS (Crank Angle Sensor) wires is vital.

4. Water Injection "Quenching"​

Since you found fouled plugs, check your Injection Start point.
  • If you are spraying at full tilt by 6k RPM, you might be over-saturating the mixture.
  • Try a pull with the Water Injection temporarily disabled (or lower the boost to 10-12psi) to see if the breakup disappears. If it clears up, your nozzle is too large or your pump is kicking in too hard too early.
 
Thanks.
Its happening without WI.
My tuner is not fond of AEM coils.
Im not getting any errors on the CPU.
Ill swap the plugs and leads and recheck and probably just run BUR9EQP if no one has better suggestion. there was a lot of carbon build up on them when i removed them
 
Have you asked your tuner?

I'm sure they'd have a better handle of what the problem could be if they know how they've set it up.

Good luck with finding the issue 👍

AL.
 
Yea. He has all the log files and says that everthing looks right on his end so he cant tell with out physically looking at it. He isnt around at the moment as he traveled to tune it.
 
Have you got an AFR gauge?
Then you
Can see if its going to lean or rich as it starts to fail.
Id always start with fresh plugs though as you said.
 
Fuel pump was installed as previous one was too small. Fpr was replaced to try and resolve this issue.
 
I would ask your tuner to check the logs for differential fuel pressure. Also check your fuel filter.
 
I will. I have logs here. Would you know off hand what that pressure should be. I was just about to get a an oem fuel filter. But I thought about maybe an aftermarket one relocated somewhere.
 
To add, I had a similar issue and it was due to way too much fuel being chucked in. Plugs were soaked, was pretty obvious. Was due to injector change.

Yours could be related to fuel pump/fpr causing issues.
 
Typical base pressure is 45psi give or take. Should raise 1:1 ratio with boost. So with your 18 psi should be around 65 psi mark
 
I will. I have logs here. Would you know off hand what that pressure should be. I was just about to get a an oem fuel filter. But I thought about maybe an aftermarket one relocated somewhere.
Yes I’ve moved mine, OEM place is wank.
 
May not be of any help at all, but was there not an issue with the strainer/filter on the 455 pumps fouling with tank debris? I have a 455, but its still in the box, I was hesitant in fitting it due to some issues reported, then I just started to take the car apart.
 
May not be of any help at all, but was there not an issue with the strainer/filter on the 455 pumps fouling with tank debris? I have a 455, but its still in the box, I was hesitant in fitting it due to some issues reported, then I just started to take the car apart.
OK thanks worth looking at. im stil making good pressure, My FPR is after the fuel rails. if anyne has more info that wold be good though
 
OK thanks worth looking at. im stil making good pressure, My FPR is after the fuel rails. if anyne has more info that wold be good though
Another thought, has the in tank hose degraded and is now leaking, also these don't like to pull fuel, they start to scream - how much fuel is in the tank? I would also check voltage at pump whilst running they don't run well under 13.5V.
 
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